Posts by Trevor Scott

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

Trevor Scott

The images were not displaying in the message body, so I've stuck them into html pages. Here are the links:

Edited: compiled these into a single link

: http://www.geocities.com/wts_lies/Awake112298.htm

TS,

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

Trevor Scott

I've posted scans of the Nov 22-98 Awake articles. This is the most blatant/damning evidence of WTS support for the UN that I have seen. You may want to save a copy of these, for those future occasions when the dubs tell you the WTS never devoted a portion of "God's channel of communication" to the beast.

TS,

(links below)

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

Trevor Scott

Sapo,

I DA'ed in 2000, and I only have mags going up to about Dec '99. So I've not seen the July 22 2001 Awake. Would love to, though, if someone could scan it.

Thanks for pointing this one out.

TS,

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Some thoughts on the "library card" d...

by Trevor Scott in

with its "library card" defense, the wts tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the un.

according to the wts, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous.

most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.. also, without actually lying about it, the wts implies that the "criteria for association" changed.

Trevor Scott

With its "library card" defense, the WTS tries very hard to minimize the significance of their relationship with the UN. According to the WTS, this was actually a very trivial association, analogous to obtaining a library card - something very non-political, and something most of their members will relate to (as library card holders) and view as quite innocuous. Most jws will have no difficulty dismissing this completely out of hand.

Also, without actually lying about it, the WTS implies that the "criteria for association" changed. They say: "at least in their latest version". What a crock! They know full well the criteria was just as damning in '92 when they climbed atop the beast. But with their usual flare for "subtle" and "clever" wording, they will mislead their members into believing the requirements for association only recently changed (at which point, the WTS "immediately withdrew [their] registration".)

Third point is this: I believe most of the dubs I know would have no difficulty dismissing the WTS' association with the UN even if they knew that the WTS had agreed to share the ideals of the UN Charter, et al. I think they would simply justify this as an aspect of "theocratic warfare".

But something the WTS is clearly ignoring with their "library card" defense is the requirement for associate NGOs to disseminate UN propaganda to their members, and to regularly report back to the UN with samples of this.

Check out these quotes from the DPI-NGO brochure we all know and love ( http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm):

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"The Department of Public Information and NGOs cooperate regularly."

"NGOs associated with DPI disseminate information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the Organization at the grassroots level."

"This dissemination includes: Publicizing UN activities around the world on such issues as peace and security, economic and social development, human rights, humanitarian affairs and international law; Promoting UN observances and international years established by the General Assembly to focus world attention on important issues facing humanity."

"...undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities..."

"Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities..."

"...disseminating information and mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specialized Agencies. Association with DPI constitutes a commitment to that effect."

"Associated NGOs are expected to devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities."

"In addition, they are expected to keep the DPI/NGO Section abreast of their activities by regularly providing samples of their information materials relating to the work of the UN."
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The WTS cannot speak to this fact, because it’s indefensible. Obtaining a library card from the beast is one thing, but devoting a portion of their publications to promoting the beast’s agenda, and building support for the beast? I mean, come on! There’s just no defense for this!

Remember, the WTS’ governing body is the ever-so-faithful-and-discreet slave, and the WT rags are "food at the proper time", right? Who knew the "meat in due season" was wild beast!

Can even the most brain-dead dub consider devoting a portion of God’s "channel of communication" to be a "faithful" act? I don’t see how. Witnesses know well that "Jehovah is a God exacting exclusive devotion" (Nahum 1:2 NWT).

Additionally, that the WTS has published articles in WT rags promoting the UN since 1991 – and had to submit regular samples of these to the UN – is evidence that they knew full well what the requirements for association were; their claims of ignorance fall apart and they are proved to be the liars they are.

For evidence of the WTS living up to her responsibilities as ‘channel of communication’ for the scarlet beast, consider the following:

- Awake! November 22, 1998, pg. 3-14
- Awake! July 22, 1999, pg. 3
- Awake! July 22, 1999, pg. 31
- Awake! May 8, 1999, pg. 31
- Awake! September 22, 1999, pg. 5-7
- Awake! January 8, 1999, pg. 13
- Awake! January 8, 1999, pg. 31
- Awake! June 22, 1999, pg. 15

The November 22-98 Awake is particularly damning. I am going to try to get a scan of this onto the net.

TS,

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Secret Agenda

by ItsJustMe in

jw
friends

more than likely this will sound like a naive question to some of you, but what is your theory as to the wbts' secret agenda?

i don't see any of them living it up....as far as i know all the governing body lives at bethel year round, eating in the cafeteria with everyone else.. what would their reason be to collect & hoard money, or belong to the un?

Trevor Scott

They are revered the world over by millions of adherents. People hang on their every word. Believe it or not, they are living it up. They have posh rooms and offices, assistants, maid service, food service, medical benefits, etc. They travel the world. And all of this is on somebody else's dime. I call that luxury.

I think it was Chitty who referred to it as paradise on earth or something to that effect. (Of course, he may have been referring to his long-time roommate...)

Ask yourself, what would these men be doing if they weren't running the WTS. Or ask Ray Franz. They'd be mowing lawns and washing windows. Hmmm, running a billion dollar corporation and being viewed on equal terms with God sounds much better than window washing and lawn cutting. And all I have to do is tell a few lies?????!!!!

TS,

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League of Nations-Help

by proplog2 in

jw
friends

i used to have some information in my archives about how the watchtower once believed the world court was the wild beast and that it went into the abyss in 1914 later to come out as the league of nations.

this is important because it is an example of the techncique jw's use of sliding an interpretation around til it seems to fit.. i know they currently believe the league when into the abyss and came out as the united nations.. i am interested in the earlier interpretation.. it may have been on prominent bethelites "the list", but i can't seem to access that site.. thanks for any help.

Trevor Scott

Try this link: http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/un.htm

TS,

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Badwillie's Dad's response to UN scandal

by badwillie in

here's the email from my dad,.

while i acknowledge your statement that your position would not change even if the un question did not exist, i'd like to share some information i've just acquired on that matter.

i do not yet have all the relevant detail but i'll pass on what i do have at present.

Trevor Scott

Don't forget the responsibilities of associated ngos:

"...disseminating information and mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specialized Agencies. Association with DPI constitutes a commitment to that effect."

"Associated NGOs are expected to devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities."

"In addition, they are expected to keep the DPI/NGO Section abreast of their activities by regularly providing samples of their information materials relating to the work of the UN."

When the WTS plays dumb on this one, they are lying through their collective teeth.

How would the rank and file feel to learn that the WTS was reporting back to the UN, supplying them with regular samples of their efforts in disseminating UN propaganda and building support for the UN? Just a library card? I don't think so.

If you have access to the Nov 22-98 Awake, and have not looked at it lately, DO SO. THE FIRST 14 PAGES IS NOTHING BUT UN PROPAGANA. I would bet money that a copy of this mag is at the DPI/NGO Resource Centre right now, as a "sample" of WTS efforts in supporting the UN.

TS,

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THIS POST FOR SERIOUS SOLDIERS

by biblexaminer in

this thread is for the serious soldier.

those who get involved here must mean business.. the link provided at bottom is to a three page letter, meant for all clergy everywhere.

it is the community conscious international newsletter informing all clerical persons of the latest watchtower scandal.

Trevor Scott

I'll do some mailings over the weekend.

One question: what, if anything, is Community Conscious International ?

TS,

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The Watchtower's Official Explanation of the Scand

by Kent in

[h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal![/h3.

the letter is, naturally - on the watchtower observer as well!.

yachyd da.

Trevor Scott

Quote from Crooklyn:

Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs

Translation:

we burned all the incriminating ones.

or...

theocratic war strategy - lying is not in conflict with our "Christian" beliefs

TS,

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The Watchtower's Official Explanation of the Scand

by Kent in

[h3]here is the watchtower's official explanations on the un scandal![/h3.

the letter is, naturally - on the watchtower observer as well!.

yachyd da.

Trevor Scott

Quote from Crooklyn:

Still, the Criteria for Association of NGOs--at least in their latest version--contain language that we cannot subscribe to. When we realized this, we immediately withdrew our registration.

Notice how they fail to speak to this "language":

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How do NGOs and DPI cooperate?

The Department of Public Information and NGOs cooperate regularly. NGOs associated with DPI disseminate information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the Organization at the grassroots level. This dissemination includes:

Publicizing UN activities around the world on such issues as peace and security, economic and social development, human rights, humanitarian affairs and international law;
Promoting UN observances and international years established by the General Assembly to focus world attention on important issues facing humanity.

"What are the responsibilities of NGOs associated with DPI?"

Since the founding days of the United Nations in San Francisco, NGOs have made valuable contributions to the international community by drawing attention to issues, suggesting ideas and programmes, disseminating information and mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specialized Agencies. Association with DPI constitutes a commitment to that effect. Associated NGOs are expected to devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities. In addition, they are expected to keep the DPI/NGO Section abreast of their activities by regularly providing samples of their information materials relating to the work of the UN. These are also made available for perusal at the DPI/NGO Resource Centre.
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They play dumb, but all the while they were living up to their commitment to disseminate information about and mobilize public opinion in support of the UN. And they were regularly providing samples of their UN propaganda to the DPI! Did they somehow not realize this?

God's "channel of communication" was also a channel of communication for the scarlet-colored wild beast. Go figure.

TS,